An Out-Of-Body Experience In The Spirit Realm

Often we hear about Near Death Experiences (NDE's) and wonder what it must feel like to enter the spirit world. This week I do just that in my discussion with Paula Lenz.

Paula had a tremendous out-of-body experience and connected with her deceased brother. She entered into the spirit realm and said it completely transformed her. She came back so much more filled with peace and compassion, and she no longer had a fear of death. 

Her journey is marked by grief, spiritual awakening, and a profound understanding of universal love and consciousness. Paula shares her experiences with her deceased brother, including unexplained occurrences, an out-of-body experience, and encounters with a spirit that provides insight into the spirit realm and the transformative impact of a spirit’s love. 

The after-effects of Paula’s NDE included a gravitation away from organized religion towards spirituality and a unified consciousness, an increase in psychic abilities, energy healing, and the ability to see auras. Her ongoing connections with her deceased brother demonstrate the enduring nature of spiritual bonds. Below is the episode.

I am so honored to have our guest,Paula Lenz. She is this wonderful individual who has gone through her own near-death experience or something that is very similar to a near-death experience. She has had that out-of-body experience. She’s gone out to experience what it’s like to feel the spirit realm and connect with spirit. She’s had the ability to do this. There is a tragic circumstance where her brother had an accident. We’ll go into that.

Paula is an author who has written several books about this and has been speaking about what transpired, how she’s in contact with spirit, and how she’s been able to learn from all these experiences as she’s gone to the spirit realm and connected with that. It’s transformed her and transformed many people in the process. All these events, both amazing and strange to some people, seem to have a definite purpose. That’s why Paula’s been writing so many books and speaking across the country. With that, Paula, welcome. I’m so glad to have you here.

Thank you so much for having me on your show.

I’m glad to have you. I read your book, and it’s Driving into Infinity. It’s so amazing. I don’t want to spoil it yet, but you’re clearly describing how you have this experience with spirits. Why don’t we just start? I don’t want to give us a spoiler alert. Why don’t we start with your background? What was your childhood like? Start to give us some perspective on what was it like being you as you were growing up.

Paula’s Background

I’m the oldest out of three children. My brother was four years younger than me. I do have a sister. She’s ten years younger, so quite a difference there. As you can imagine, my brother and I, because there was only four years difference between us, we grew up together versus a sister ten years behind me. It was a vast difference.

My brother and I were very close growing up. When I talk about this subject, I say that it’s all about the love. This whole thing from these years that I’ve been experiencing it. My book isDriving into Infinity: Living with My Brother’s Spirit. I do like to share this experience because my goal is to help other people who have gone through tragic and sad losses because I know what that’s like. My family knows what that’s like.

This event happened in 1983 with my brother. It’s been many years ago. When I say that, it just seems so impossible that so many years have gone by. It’s crazy sounding, but that was the time that my brother had his transition from this Earth. In 2017 is when I finally decided to share my story with the world about living with my brother’s spirit. That was when I wrote my book, Driving into Infinity: Living with My Brother’s Spirit.

What was it like when you two were growing up? Were you in a very traditional religious household? Was the subject of spirit or out-of-body experiences repressed and nobody spoke about it, like, “That’s for people up in the Hindu Kush?” What was it like for Paula as young Paula?

We attended Baptist Church. That’s what I grew up in, the Baptist Church, going to vacation Bible school, and, as I said, going to church and Sunday school. It’s a pretty traditional background in that sense of the subject of religion. My brother and I grew up together. I have a sister who’s younger, as I said. The bond that my brother and I had was totally different than with my sister because she was so much further behind.

It’s hard for me to believe, as I speak, that it’s been many years now since my brother left this earth. It doesn’t seem like that’s possible.

It sounds like your family was very traditional Baptist religion. It sounds like there wasn’t a lot of discussion about spirituality or out of body or any of that. It was more, “This is what we can hear, see, feel, and touch, then there’s God.” It’s grounded, it sounds like.

Very traditional, straightforward. The usual family going to church on Sunday.

The Incident

You’re going along. Tell me about this incident that happened. I know because I read the book, but for someone out there who is reading, describe what happened because I know that your brother had been driving to a construction site, if I recall correctly, then something happened. Describe what the incident for people.

I can do that. I would like to preface that with a recurring dream that I had.

You had the dream in advance. I forgot about that.

The events that happened. This recurring dream I had, this happened when I was 29 years old and that was in 1982. I had that dream until the fall of 1983. This dream was always the same. I was outside on these wide expansive fields and there were large crowds of people gathering there. Someone near me asked what was happening. I replied that I heard it was the end of the world then everyone was looking up at the sky, and there appeared Jesus.

In the moment that that happened in my dream, I doubled over almost falling to the ground. I was experiencing the worst pain of my life, but it wasn’t physical pain. It was heartfelt suffering and agony. Beyond words for me, even in the dream. As I doubled over, I kept saying, “It isn’t supposed to be this way. I thought the end of the world was supposed to be joyous,” then this dream would suddenly end.

I had no idea what this dream meant or why I was having it. I’m going to fast forward to October 7th of 1983. I lived in Houston at that time. I was attending the Greek festival with a number of my friends that day. This was held every year in Houston. It was a very popular event and a crowded event. While I was there, I looked across the crowds and I saw my husband Michael making his way through the crowds of people.

I thought, “He’s here earlier than I thought he was going to be,” but I was happy about that. I smiled and waved at him when he got a little closer. When he was right there with me, I saw his face and I knew that something was terribly wrong. I had never seen him look that way. When he caught up to me, and this is in the middle of huge crowds, he put both his hands on my arms. He looked me right in the eyes in a trembling voice. He said, “Dony was killed in an accident.” Dony was my brother who was a few years younger than me.

His face crumpled as he spoke these words to me. When I was told, I had this vision of the Earth falling and shattering at my feet. I slumped down toward the ground just crying and saying, “No.” I told him, “Get me out of here. I had to get out of this crowd.” That day, I understood what this recurring dream that I’d been having. It was trying to show me. It was showing me the Greek festival and the Greek Orthodox Church as the setting.

It was showing me my emotional reaction to the news of his death. Prior to that, I’d never had any precognitive dreams. My feelings, as you can imagine during this whole event, were that I was destroyed. Our whole family was because Dony was the center of everything. He was funny and such a nice guy. He had a lot of friends but my feelings for this was grief. It was unbearable. I didn’t know that a human being could cry so many tears.

At the funeral, I wondered how I could possibly continue living after this. It seemed impossible. Three days after my brother’s funeral, Dony came back to me while I was driving. As it turned out, I was driving his personal truck. He was killed in a company truck. At the time, my husband and I lived in Houston, but I was staying up in my hometown at Bryan. I’m up there for the week. My husband had gone back to Houston, and I was driving this truck that had been my brother’s truck, heading toward my parents’ house.

Again, I was by myself and taking these flowers out to my grandparents. This trip takes maybe 10 to 15 minutes. Halfway there as I’m driving, this strange thing began happening to me. I suddenly developed 360-degree vision while I’m driving. I could see everything around me. I had no idea what was happening to me, but at that moment, as I’m experiencing this very weird reality. I became aware of someone behind me, on my right side. I’m with his hand on my shoulder.

I realized and I saw that it was Dony. I could hear him speaking to me telepathically. Now, I’m still driving down this little freeway in my hometown at Bryan as all this is happening. I could see Dony’s body. It was made up of a series of what I call light points. He was telling me telepathically not to be sad. He was happy and, most of all, he wanted me to know what life was like for him now. He explained to me that he was on another plane of being and that it had simply been time for him to leave.

Did he describe what his other plane of being was like?

 He was trying to have me experience a little bit of that rather than him trying to talk about it at that point. As I’m driving, then suddenly, I was no longer in my body. I just existed in this state of consciousness with him. I was no longer aware of driving at all. I saw a landscape very briefly, which I can only describe as outlines of trees and countryside. After that, again, I’m with my brother. My entire focus was on experiencing infinity and eternity with him.

He stayed with me throughout this entire experience that I had, but I felt with no body restricting me any longer. In this state of being, I felt that I was one with the universe and totally at peace, possessing all knowledge of the universe. I became all these things. Most of all, I was one with this energy of love or spirit that is everything in the universe.

We are all one with this energy of love and everything as well. I understood during this experience that spirit, this love, is the all-encompassing, caring, and creative element of the universe. I also understood through this experience that there is no separation of anything from this all-encompassing spirit. We may think that we’re all separate, but we’re not. All we have to do is open up to spirit, allowing this supreme consciousness and love into our own consciousness to have this full realization of who we truly are.

Everything in everyone is the spirit of universal love, whether we consciously acknowledge that or not. Everyone is connected throughout the universe, even though it appears differently to us. This was the truth that I experienced. I loved being in this state of consciousness only, this freedom. I didn’t care one thing about going back to my body. My life, I didn’t care anything about that. I was focused on where I was and realizing that everything is one and connected in the universe. This was the Truth that I experienced.

Truth being that everything is connected and we are all connected to the universal tapestry of love.

I had no desire to do anything else except to experience more of this state of being because it was home to me. Although, I felt certain that Dony communicated some other information to me during this time with him. I now believe that I was not meant to recall everything that he told me and shared with me. Perhaps, as more future events unfold, maybe I’ll recognize that this was one of the things that had come through.

Comparison To Near-Death Experiences

It’s so interesting that, for example, a lot of near-death experiences have very similar experiences as what you had. The NDEs themselves are very similar. It’s very consistent. It’s this universal consciousness. It’s this universal tapestry of love. It’s this unconditional love where you feel somehow that you’re perfect and you’re loved for just existing. It’s a feeling that suddenly, the person is back home. They don’t know why, but they feel they are back home and where they were on earth was a temporary place, but this is coming home. You mentioned that.

It seems like it’s very much of a near-death experience. Do you have any idea why you are having essentially a near-death experience? Whereas it was more you’re dying. It was more of an out-of-body experience. Is there a different type of NDE? Is this a subset? I’m not aware. This is something little new to me.

It was very similar in nature to a near-death experience, leaving my body, going beyond, seeing heaven to a certain degree, and experiencing the oneness. There’s a lot of elements of what I experienced that are in line with the near-death experience, but I was not having the near-death experience. I was driving at the time this happened, and my brother shows up right at my shoulder as I’m driving also.

You can imagine what experience this was that was happening to me. I had no fear of what was going on. I was in a state of awe and knowing that my brother was there with me right on my right shoulder. I could leave and go with him into the universe and have this experience and this oneness with all knowledge that there is. In that state for me, I was out in the middle of the universe. I could see planets and Earth, but I was not allowed to go beyond the universe.

I knew that there was more. I could see in the distance. It was almost like I knew it was another place or another level beyond being in the universe. I wanted to go on there. I remember my brother was with me this whole time right at my shoulder. I’m out in the middle of the universe hanging out there, veering everything and experiencing all of this, which I know sounds crazy a while, but that’s what happened.

I wanted to go on to that next level. When I started thinking that way, I began to push away rapidly. I could feel myself in body moving away rapidly toward that next level that I could in the far distance see. When that began to happen, my brother, if I could say his hand to more or less, push me back. He stopped me from going. He said to me, “No, you can’t go yet. It’s not your time.” He exerted his energy on me at that point where I was trying to whoosh away and pushed me back down to Earth.

I could see myself coming back down into my body. I could see my person driving the truck. I could see through the top of the truck. He pushed me back down into my body and I felt that happen because when I went back into my body it was like with the thud. I felt like I landed back in my body. Again, you have to remember, I was driving his personal truck when this was going on because as I said, he was killed in a company truck.

In the middle of all this, I had already made a turn onto this road that was leading to my grandparents’ house, and I have no recollection of doing that. When I landed back in my body and I get to my grandparent’s house. I am like, “I am full of this energy of having had this experience.” I get to my grandparent’s house and they’re all sad and grieving over my brother’s death. I told them not to be sad. He was okay and everything was going to be all right.

I had this positive message for them. Interestingly enough, that whole day I existed in this bliss state. I wasn’t feeling sad or anything. I’d been with my brother. I knew he was okay. I was having this wonderful and blissful experience. That’s what happened for the rest of that day. After that day, I fell back into this state of grief, even though I had experienced all this and I had been with my brother. It’s important that people understand that. It’s not like one day, I have that experience and life is all peachy-keen. I was never going to be with him on earth again, and I fell back into deep grief. It took a long time, even though I had that experience.

It’s so amazing because you’re also describing what you’re seeing in, I’ll refer to it as the afterlife, for lack of a better phrase. You’re talking about seeing the fields, trees, green grass, and what have you. Everything that looks like earth, but it’s as they refer to it as the summer lands because it’s constantly bright, alive, and vibrant. It feels very much like summer in that respect. That’s what you are seeing and that seems to be what’s always coming through. Whether it’s an NDE or a spirit communication coming through in a reading. They’re always describing that same background or same environment in which they live.

It’s that loving vibration that they express from where they are, and that’s the constant message. It sounds like your brother was not only saying that but also showing you that. You also mentioned, and it was fascinating, how powerful thoughts are. You mentioned that you started thinking that you wanted to go see more. In a split second, your thought was taking you to that place, which shows you the power of our thoughts. Our thoughts can have us go places, do things, and move. That’s the energy of thought. When we’re in the physical, we don’t manifest that. We don’t realize that. That was interesting.

My brother and I, as I said in the beginning, were very close. We grew up together. As a result of that, I continued to have outreach to some degree from my brother.

Other After-Effects

Tell us about some of those other events because I know there are a couple of things that happened in your house. He was trying to contact you, if I recall.

At the time of his death, my husband and I lived in Sugar Land, Texas. My brother had spent one summer there with us when he was in college. He had been in that house where we were living still at that time. I had experiences where I was walking out of our bedroom. I glanced into the living room there and I saw my brother.

He was standing in front of the stereo cabinet. He wasn’t looking at me, but he was standing in front of the stereo cabinet. When he had stayed with us one summer and worked in Houston, he used to play records over at the stereo cabinet quite a bit. Also, in the dining room, I would come home from work and there would be this one chair pulled out in our dining room, which was a formal dining room. We didn’t spend very much time in there. We had a breakfast table where a lot of times we would go to the TV room and eat in there.

In that dining room, I’d come home from work and this chair that he had sat in at the dining room table when my then-husband. They would get in there late at night and play this crazy electric football game and make all kinds of noise. The chair that he used to sit in when they were playing that. That chair would be pulled out so many times when I would come home from work. I would push the chair back in, but then many times, it was pulled out again.

Other things happened, for example, in this small TV room that we had. There were two very tall bookcases in there. Again, my brother had been in there before. My husband and I would be sitting there watching TV. One time, from the topmost shelf of this bookcase. This book just came flying out across the room and landed on the floor between where my husband and I were sitting together. I had a witness for that deal. One of the few times I had a witness.

“I’m not going crazy, I promise.”

Another time I came home, and this is all in the same house where he had lived with us before. I turned the corner to go down the hallway after I’d come home from work. There’s this built-in bookcase and some of the shelves for that had books on it. Some of it had decorative things higher up. When I started down the hallway, I realized that there was this book that was clear on the other side of the hallway directly across from that built-in little bookcase area.

This book had come out of the lowest shelf from that built-in area. You could tell it had flown across the hallway to the other side and the book was lying there up against the other wall. You could see where it had come out of the bookcase from that lowest bottom area. It was at carpet level, essentially. I was stunned like, “How did this happen?” When I picked up the book, I realized the volume. This was an old leftover book that my husband had from years ago.

The volume of this old encyclopedia book was the volume D, which his name was Don. We had the chairs moving out. We had that happening in the hallway. This book that flew out when my husband and I were watching TV right at our feet. Also, I would come home and find, as I said, the chairs pulled out in the dining room, but also in the bedroom. We had a desk with a chair in there and that chair too would be pulled out.

One day, when I came home and rounded the corner to go down the hall to the master bedroom, the chair was in the middle of the doorway opening into the bedroom. I didn’t even consider for a second that was something my brother could have done. I thought someone was in the house. I’m like, “Somebody’s in here.” I ran out the front door and I stayed out in the yard for a while. Again, it was late afternoon and nothing happened. Nothing changed.

I just finally decided to go on back in the house because my husband was going to be home soon. I went in and moved the chair back under the desk that was in the bedroom. I looked through the whole house and there’s nobody there. Nothing had been broken into or anything. There were lots of different events that happened.

It sounds like there are a good five plus signs that your brother was like trying to say, “Don’t forget me. Pay attention to me. I am here. I’m real.” He’s trying to whack you across the head.

People can believe this or not. I’m just telling how it happened. It’s amazing too to think that spirits have this, I’ll say ability, to move such things, but who am I to doubt at this stage of the game?

It’s very much telekinesis. We know and we’ve seen a lot of experiments where humans had telekinesis and controlled experiments. They’ll move small objects in small ways. If we’re talking about our limited abilities in the dense physical world, imagine the power when you experience the power of thought when you were in the spirit realm. It’s the power of thought. Thought energy is huge.

From having had that out-of-body experience into that realm, one of the things that happened to me was I developed this electromagnetic effect. That would show up where if I were out walking around our neighborhood later in the evening and the street lamps would come on. Whenever I would walk past one of the street lamps, it would go out. As soon as I would walk past, it would come back on. That happens even when I’m driving a car on a freeway.

As I drive past, it’ll go off, then it comes back on. That’s some electromagnetic effect that I had after my experience with him. Plus, having had that out-of-body experience with my brother, my intuition and knowingness increased. I became more in tune and psychic with things that would be coming up. There were other aftereffects for me that these changes I had.

Some of those were like this compulsion after my experience to read about spiritual matters. I also had this gravitation away from organized religion and more toward a deep secular spirituality. I didn’t have any fear. I still don’t have what we call death because death doesn’t have that same picture for me that most people have when you’re growing up.

Fear Of Death

When you say that as a result of that, now that you’ve experienced what’s on the other side. You’ve experienced essentially what it’s like to have experienced a transition so that you were on the other side. Now that you’re not feeling any fear of death, would you say that’s applicable to people that do have fear to now say, “We shouldn’t have fear because if this is what’s awaiting us on the other side. It’s simply a blink of an eye from the hard life here to a glorious, loving, and peaceful life somewhere else?” Would you say? It’s like, “I’m looking forward to going over there. This is great.”

That’s exactly right, though. I don’t have a fear of what we call death because, essentially, it’s crossing over into a much more whole existence and that oneness that you experience. Again, I didn’t get to go to the upper levels. I was out in the middle of the universe. Still, even what I experienced by that, it was life changing and have no fear about death because it’s a transition.

You’re still alive and presumably going on further than where I went. There’s a whole other life in terms of being with people again who have crossed over and all of that. I can’t speak to that since I wasn’t at that level. Again, I was the universe, but it is what it is. You live this life then you cross over and now you’ve got a whole new experience.

You’re looking at life here with a very different perspective, a 180-degree different perspective. Did you feel that you came back saying, “I have lessons that I need to learn or I can look back and say these are the lessons I learned?” Were there any lessons that started to flow from that?

I don’t know that I would call it lessons. I feel that the experiences that I had on the other side have helped me. There’s always going to be in our lifetime here, these moments of angst and bad things that happen. You’re going to feel the emotions about that but having gone through what I have and experience. It’s like, “You deal with this and you move on. Keep going because at some point you’re not going to have to deal with these kinds of things anymore.”

Life is what it is here because we’re in human form but mentally and emotionally from my experiences, it helps me move on. Again, I don’t have any fear of death. It’s much worse to get something where you’re totally sick for a long time than to cross on over. I understand how people continue to have fear about that.

It was so interesting that Dony came back in so many different ways. Whether it was showing you signs or showing himself to you. Did he come back in other times? Did you start to feel more of an energy? You mentioned that you had more intuition, greater expansion of spiritual awareness. That, too, is another hallmark of an NDE.

Spiritual Exploration

People come back and they’re much more spiritual. They’re much more connected and intuitive. They’ve got those intuitive abilities that suddenly rise to the surface. They were there. They were lying dormant. Have you been continuing to explore your spirituality? Have you been continuing to try to expand your own intuition and psychic abilities that you started to realize?

It happens more naturally, I’ll say, than trying to focus on it all the time. Sometimes I will sit down here in my office and meditate for a while. It’s because of my experiences, it feels more innately natural that it’s already there and making connection here and there with that feeling is so much easier. I don’t necessarily feel like I have to sit down in a chair and close my eyes and pray. Although, I can and I do that occasionally to get into that space sometimes just alone and quiet times.

There are always things in life we’re fearful about. You don’t want to be sick. You don’t want to be maimed. There are things out there like that can happen, but I don’t focus on that thing. As I age, this has been long. I’ve been on this earth already a long time and I’ve had to live with the idea of my brother’s gone for a long time. I don’t have any real angst about crossing over. That’s a good message to be able to give people because even if you’re in a bad way health-wise or in a hospital or whatever, If you cross over, it’s going to be natural and easy, and there you are. You’re going to be in a different state of being, and it’s a feeling of like wholeness for you.

I’ve heard of some people who had NDEs and became more fearful. The more fearful they became, the lower vibration it created. Fear was a lower vibration, and instead of feeling themselves rising up, they felt themselves falling because lower vibrations were heavier vibrations. They weren’t experiencing this wonderful connection with love, but rather the opposite, sadness and depression as they felt the fear.

It’s wonderful that you’re saying to people, “There is no need to fear. Fear is not something that you need in your life. Release it because the more that we’re able to think of the joy, think of the love, and think of the connection that itself is raising our vibration. That itself is enabling the peaceful and joyful transition to that loving space.

I like to mention some of these aftereffects that I had from this NDE because it relates to some of what you’re saying. After I had this experience with my brother and I’ve had signs around me at times that he’s right in this very office where I’m sitting across from me, these tall bookcases. Not so very long ago, I was in here by myself. There was no one else in the house. I was at my desk. All of a sudden, this book from the topmost shelf comes flying out.

It doesn’t come flying out at me. It comes out and it heads toward the windows to my left. I stood up because there was no one else in the house, and it was quiet. It jarred me. It scared me. I stood up and I said to the bookcase, “Cut it out, Dony. I know that’s you.” It’s good people going around and seeing me do things like that because they’re thinking, “This woman has an issue,” but I’m just saying how it is.

I’m not ashamed to share.

There you go. I bet Dony was having a chuckle with that one.

Some of these aftereffects I had were important because, in the beginning, I had a compulsion to read about spiritual matters. I still do to some degree. Also, I had, as I’m sure a lot of the NDE people say, that gravitation away from organized religion and more toward this deep secular spirituality. There’s no fear of what we call death.

I have had through the years an increase in precognitive dreams that show me what’s coming up. Another one of the things is when I go walking around through the neighborhood in the late evening, you know, the street lamps come on. When I walk under one of the street lamps, the light goes out and once I pass by, they come back on.

There’s some energy or light that’s being emitted from me and the light picks up on that so it goes out. That’s pretty interesting when that happens. An increase in precognitive dreams. Also, I developed the ability to see people’s auras. An interesting story about that is when I was working in-office and I had some people who worked for me there.

This woman who was working for me came into my office one day and we’re just talking and all of a sudden, I see this aura around her. It was muddy colored. I was completely taken aback that I was seeing this. This gal worked for me and we had a good relationship. We were close in age and everything. I told her what I was seeing and that I thought maybe she should see a doctor because it was muddy colored and she did.

Which is not very good.

She did go to the doctor and ended up having some illness issues, but she recovered. That was pretty interesting because I could see her aura suddenly.

Was there one, I remember in the book, you were talking about an aura that you ultimately saw that was deep green and that was affecting you? I remember saying about that, where you were picking up on somebody’s aura that had gone to see a special life doctor or life energy. They came back and you noticed they had a green energy or they had a high energy. It’s like giving you tears or something.

That was the same woman I was talking about because she worked for me. I had seen her when she developed her aura, but then she did have some health issues. Part of that was that I was able to see those dark areas and I told her about that too. She did have some problems for a while. Eventually, she got over those but I did see that, the dark areas. There was something going on here. Honestly, I haven’t taken a lot of time to try to see people’s auras. I used to do a lot more of that than I do now. I’m retired. Not in an office situation. It happens on occasion.

Paula, what would you say to a reader who is so interested in this or maybe they’ve got issues themselves or they’re curious about, let’s say, one important recommendation or suggestion you might have for a reader based on everything that you gain from your experience connecting with spirit?

For people who are experiencing some issue or sickness, I would say don’t be afraid to seek out people who do energy healings because that’s the other thing. This friend of mine who I saw her come into her power. She is able to, through her hands, use this energy to help heal people of particular things. I’m sure a lot of people out there blow off that thing and say, “That doesn’t work.” There are very gifted people out there who have energies that come through their hands, healing energies. You have to be careful who you select. You’d have to talk to some people and find out ahead of time.

You have to be very discerning.

That’s a good word, discerning about those things. Seeing that happen, again, this woman who came into that I saw her aura, she became a healer. She used through her hands this energy that comes through. Again, the problem with a lot of human beings is people don’t want to look like fools and believe in anything. Therefore, they have a tendency to discount any belief about such things.

I get that in terms of you don’t want to go to some charlatan who’s just faking it but there are genuine people out there who have energy healing powers of that come through. You have to, as I say, be discerning. This friend of mine who came into those powers, I used to go to her fairly regularly for Reiki treatment. Even where I am now, I’ve had Reiki treatment here and there. I don’t have them as much as I did when I was younger, but it’s a good thing.

Conclusion

Paula, thank you so much. This has been wonderful. I loved hearing your story, your experience, beautiful connection, your spirit, and your brother in the afterlife. Your out of body experience, how it affected you, and how you continued to have effects after your experience. You continued to reconnect with your brother with all and how. Perhaps I should say how your brother reconnected with you. Maybe that’s better than how your intuition grew and your energy abilities also started to pick up being able to see yours. That’s wonderful. Thank you for all that and I’m sure our readers, thank you for all that. How can people get in contact with you if they’re curious or they want to reach out to you?

I do have a website. If you type in www.PaulaLenzAuthor.com, I’m pretty sure on there at the end of maybe the last page of the internet, there’s a way to type a message to me. That’s probably the best way. Visit the website there.

Again, thank you so much for being with us, joining us and explaining your beautiful experience. You had a dramatic experience that you had and shared with us.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Everybody, thank you so much for joining us on the show. I hope you enjoyed it. If there are topics or things that you’d like to hear about or people you’d like to hear from, drop me a line. Let me know what you’d like to read. You can reach out at SpiritsBesideUs.com and get all the information about Paula and other things here. For now, it looks like we’re at the end of the episode. This is Chris Lippincott signing off. Until then, I will send you love and light, and I will see you then. Bye for now.